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Two more advantages (F16 vs MIG29) and questions

Last post 05-10-1999, 4:00 PM by anonymous2. 3 replies.
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  •  04-27-1999, 12:23 AM 130

    Two more advantages (F16 vs MIG29) and questions

    *** Posted by Julian "Tiger" Raureanu ***
    Hi RUN and thanks for answering my questions.
    About the F16 vs MIG29 answer. I think there is one more advantage for each of these two.
    The MIG29 has a HMS (Helmet Mounted Sight) which is a big advantage in a dogfight.
    The F16 has fly-by-wire system which is more easy to use than a conventional mechanical sytem which requires a lot of force from the pilot to pull the stick.(opinion)

    I would like to ask you a few questions.
    1. Are you agreed with my opinion?
    2. Can you override FLCS? I mean, can you take more than 9g and 25' AoA?
    3. Don't you think that a HMS, and a thrust vectoring system on the F16 will beat the MIG29 more easily?
    4. Which is T/W ratio of the F16, if not classified?
    That's all
    Thank you very much
    P.S. F16 is my dream as you see and the only aircraft I love truly.
  •  04-27-1999, 1:18 AM 131 in reply to 130

    Re:Two more advantages

    *** Posted by RUN ***
    You are right about the advantages except for the stick forces, but ofcourse it is nice with the support for the arm in the F16.

    Answers to questions:

    2. No, but you can get it a little above 9 Gs

    3. Probably

    4. Depends on the model, load & fuel, but more than 1 to 1 if clean.

    RUN

    [Hi RUN and thanks for answering my questions.
    About the F16 vs MIG29 answer. I think there is one more advantage for each of these two.
    The MIG29 has a HMS (Helmet Mounted Sight) which is a big advantage in a dogfight.
    The F16 has fly-by-wire system which is more easy to use than a conventional mechanical sytem which requires a lot of force from the pilot to pull the stick.(opinion)

    I would like to ask you a few questions.
    1. Are you agreed with my opinion?
    2. Can you override FLCS? I mean, can you take more than 9g and 25' AoA?
    3. Don't you think that a HMS, and a thrust vectoring system on the F16 will beat the MIG29 more easily?
    4. Which is T/W ratio of the F16, if not classified?
    That's all
    Thank you very much
    P.S. F16 is my dream as you see and the only aircraft I love truly.]
  •  05-09-1999, 6:52 PM 331 in reply to 131

    Re:Two more advantages

    *** Posted by Kim Nielsen of DK ***
    [You are right about the advantages except for the stick forces, but ofcourse it is nice with the support for the arm in the F16.]


    Could'nt You be in the wisf of some kind of response from the stick? This regarding to the dilemma between power-seering vs. traditional direct steering from the automobile-branch.

    Kim
  •  05-10-1999, 4:00 PM 344 in reply to 331

    Re:Two more advantages

    *** Posted by RUN ***
    [Could'nt You be in the wisf of some kind of response from the stick? This regarding to the dilemma between power-seering vs. traditional direct steering from the automobile-branch.

    Kim]

    Not really. You can feel the responses in your body. In the early f16 days the stick didn't move at all and the old fighter pilots had a tough time adapting to this, so it was decided to let the stick move a little just to satisfy the pilots.
    In jets which are not fly-by-wire conrolled, but just controlled via wires and actuators, springs are used to give the pilot an artificial feel of stick forces.
    It's a little easier to control the aircraft when you have to overcome some force to move the stick & some pilots even trim the a/c a little nose heavy when they are flying formation so they have to constantly add a little back pressure even when flying straight & level.

    In small low speed aircraft I think though it's important that you get some feedback through the stick. I used to fly gliders & here you get a lot of feeling through the stick. It's easy to tell wether you are stressing the glider to much or if you are about to stall.

    RUN
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